Tory MP Carswell Defects To Ukip, Then Resigns. By Election In Clacton

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Tory MP Carswell Defects To Ukip, Then Resigns. By Election In Clacton

Lorraine Moss
From The LBC website

http://www.lbc.co.uk/mp-douglas-carswell-quits-tories-for-ukip-96157



Conservative MP Douglas Carswell has announced he is defecting from the Tories and joining UKIP.


The MP For Clacton in Essex said he made the decision because he believes UKIP is the only party that can break up the "cosy Westminster elite".

Flanked by his new party leader Nigel Farage, Mr Carswell was cheered by supporters as he said he would resign from Parliament and stand for UKIP in a by-election.

Mr Farage told his latest recruit: "I think what you've just done is without doubt the bravest, most honourable and noblest thing I've seen in British politics in my lifetime."

Mr Carswell was scathing in his criticism of David Cameron and his Government - and he said he had not informed the Prime Minister of his decision in advance.  

Speaking to Sky News moments after the announcement, he said: "I don't think they're serious about the change this country needs. This country needs serious political reform.

"They're not serious about making government accountable to parliament and parliament accountable to the people.

He added: "I know David Cameron is not serious because I've heard him say it."

He admitted that he could lose the by-election but said he would trust the voters to make their own decision.

Nigel Farage insisted Mr Carswell was not the only sitting MP who backed his policies.

He told Sky News: "I've spoken to people in the Conservative Party and the Labour Party who do not want Britain to be borderless, who think this is doing great damage to the working opportunities of people in Britain.

"I don't think Douglas Carswell is going to be considered an isolated eccentric - there are other MPs out there considering their options."

A Conservative Party spokesman said: "This is a regrettable and frankly counterproductive decision.

"As he's said, the only way to get an referendum on the EU is to return a majority Conservative government.

"The Conservative Party will contest the forthcoming by-election vigorously to make the people in Clacton have a strong conservative voice in this parliament and the next."

More follows...
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Lorraine Moss
Very interesting times, I think that UKIP will stand a good chance in Clacton.  I wonder if anymore will defect?
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bellend
good luck to him
If we learn from our mistakes, why aint I a genius, If you educate the masses where's the advantage for the few?

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Tom Merton
Looks like Cameron's buggered, the problem is the UKIP/Tory split letting in labour, who will draw us closer to the EU, let in even more immigrants and probably end up with another trillion pound debt.

By the way I thought a trillion was 300 billion it's actually (in the British system) 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 or one million times one billion. 

I can't get my head around that number but I know I never ever want us to be in that much debt ever again.
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GAZZER
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This defection will be felt as a bombshell hitting Westminster-the cosy LabLibCon alliance is slowly but surely in full retreat.

Farage is a tactical master- amongst a host of other stuff, he bashes the shit outa Clegg on live TV ruining the Libs-then wins the Euro elections-now he is bringing down Cameron.

Its seems the LibLabCon alliance is in decline, even the power and slander of the MSN cannot damage him or his party, there's def a new kid on the block eh.

This fella is telling it straight-and trashing Cameron..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCbtW83Hcpc&feature=player_detailpage

Ole GAZZER is orft to change his nappy lol.
If you try to cure evil with evil-you will add more pain to your fate.
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Peter
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Rats deserting a sinking ship.
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Percy.
For some reason we seem not to use the English numbering system for Billions Trillions etc.I used to count a Billion as a million million but now we seem to use the American system of just a thousand million.The first time I encountered this was in school in the 60s where the age of the world was estimated as 4.5 billion years which when you use the American system of 4.5 thousand million is easier to imagine than the .00045 billion years using the English system.It seems that finances use the American system of counting for debt so we are less in debt than it seems to we English.
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lynden
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I don't know who you are but I can assure you this man is no rat.
In fact, he is one of the most honest, honourable, principled and brave men I know. Politically he has made a brave stand for his principals and not been swayed for the chance of gain (unlike so many I've met).
Sorry if I've overreacted but I was on the original panel that selected Douglas in 2004/5.

Greetings to all from Frinton.

Lynden
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GAZZER
Greetings back to you at Frinton Lyndon-That man must have principles, he has given up everything to join a somewhat maverick political group for it seems,  a patriotic love for his country,

Respect Mr Carswell- we need more of your kind.
If you try to cure evil with evil-you will add more pain to your fate.
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lynden
If only there were more of his kind.
Greetings Gazzer.
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GAZZER
There are many like that fellow-however unlike him, some are not brave enough to step into the light, perhaps now they will eh.
If you try to cure evil with evil-you will add more pain to your fate.
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lynden
One can hope.
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Percy.
Has he had a stroke he seems to have some problem talking.
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The bomb has gone off.

Percy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/correspondents/nickrobinson/
“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”




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spike
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At least he publicly defected and resigned from his party to join UKIP to give the voters of Clacton the choice of choosing which political party their vote goes to in a by election ,  more than can be said for some Havering councillors who crossed the floor to join another political party without giving those who's hard work or political preference gave them their seat .  
Campaigning to leave the EU will attract lots of votes in Clacton for Carswell, but , many of his other right wing  ideas might put some of the Essex electorate off . No doubt the voters of Clacton will find Carswell a tempting candidate to represent them , having said that , the Conservatives voters in the area have a big say , they are die hard Tories and have been around for a long time .
Carswells  defection could split the tory vote leaving a way in for  the Labour candidate with the slogan ' can you trust a traitor '. A sign for Carswell support will be the resignations from the Clacton Tory grass roots , which they will keep quiet , and any increase in membership for Clacton UKIP , which they will highly publicise by wheeling out Tory defectors.
A rare gamble from a established British politician , good career move ? If Carswell thinks his policies could be popular enough to get  elected why didn't he stand as an independent MP for Clacton ?. The problem he is going to have is being seen as another nut in the fruitcake. Although Carswell talks of 'his principles ' there seems to be no sympathy for the chosen UKIP candidate for Clacton who has now been guillotined in favour of their new star signing , great start at Clacton UKIP HQ . So , what started off looking an honourable move now looks like a smoke and mirrors manoeuvre .
Will our Tory MP Rosindell  defect ? Nah.... he has no competition . /b>n  
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spike
STOP PRESS . The 'other' Clacton UKIP candidate will not stand down and is not going to be pushed around , there is only one way to sort this out - F I G H T ....................
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Ho-Hum
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Even die-hard Tories are tiring of Cameron's ineptitude and his constant spewing of BS.  The electorate want things done, not empty promises.

If a week's a long time in politics, let's see what happens in the next 8 months in the run up to the General Election.

There's a lot of factors rattling around in the shaker.  The next General Election is a big WHO KNOWS.
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Peter
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There's no such thing as a honest, honourable, and principled politician.  
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Ho-Hum
In my view Peter, there probably are some honest and honourable politicians.  However, many maybe thwarted by their superiors.  Career politician though, are probably never honest and honourable, only seeking to glorify themselves and get a good pension after winging it in the commons and spewing the BS.

Rottendel is a prime example.




Snout in the trough.
Refugees do not have the right to demand but should accept the blessings bestowed upon them gracefully by nations extending the hand of friendship.
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