Life in Britain under the Independent Group

classic Classic list List threaded Threaded
36 messages Options
12
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Life in Britain under the Independent Group

confused of hornchurch
Another party of confusion?

Independent Group MPs can't describe their main policies in awkward TV interview
The BBC's Andrew Marr Show questioned Luciana Berger and Heidi Allen on basic issues like the top tax rate - but they said it was too early to tell

ByDan BloomOnline Political Editor
13:59, 24 FEB 2019Updated14:00, 24 FEB 2019

MPs who've quit their parties to form the Independent Group were unable to describe its main policy positions today in an awkward TV interview.
Ex-Labour MP Luciana Berger and ex-Tory Heidi Allen were quizzed by the BBC's Andrew Marr Show six days after the so-called 'TIG' was established.
But they were unable to confirm key policy positions because the group is not yet a political party and only has its first formal meeting tomorrow.
The group have already disagreed on fundamental issues, with new member Anna Soubry defending welfare cuts that other MPs bitterly fought.
BBC interviewer Mr Marr rattled through a string of policies including water nationalisation, free tuition fees and a 50p top tax rate.
But each time the newly-independent MPs could not give a concrete answer, with Ms Berger protesting: "You’re asking me through the prism of the old politics".

And although both MPs indicated TIG will become a fully-fledged political party, Ms Berger said the question was "looking at this through the paradigm of the 20th Century".
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

bellend
a tad unfair, mr marr knew that of course, they did the same with the new brexit party. no party has anyone in it that knows all the answers on every topic let alone parties that have just been formed. i doubt very much if they knew a tenth of the answers on the parties they left.
If we learn from our mistakes, why aint I a genius, If you educate the masses where's the advantage for the few?

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

fred
Get the Eyeties over they know how to organise political movements outside the mainstream,they’ve put the spanner in works at home.
They come with the added attraction of turning the economic migrants back instead of taking them in,unlike this dopey Country.
Better to suffer from a loss than to suffer every day for not having anything to lose
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

Phil Wailing
In reply to this post by bellend
It's pretty much irrelevant what they say they are going to do, once in power they do the opposite. Remember that little prick Nick Clegg and the scrapping of university tuition fees.

These are MP's so they are all fiddling, self interest, compulsive liars.
We haven't inherited the earth from our parents, we have borrowed it from our children.
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

bellend
you're right i forgot that.
If we learn from our mistakes, why aint I a genius, If you educate the masses where's the advantage for the few?

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

confused of hornchurch

Chuka Umunna FAILS to become leader of Independents as MPs select Gavin Shuker to steer
CHUKA Umunna has failed to become the de-facto leader of the newly-formed The Independent Group, with Gavin Shuker chosen instead.
By Dan Falvey
PUBLISHED: 16:38, Mon, Feb 25, 2019 | UPDATED: 17:32, Mon, Feb 25, 2019

The group of 11 rebels from the Labour and Conservative Parties convened this afternoon to decide who would become the 'convenor' for the cluster of outsiders. Mr Umunna had previously made it clear that he was interested in leading the group. He told Sky yesterday: "I'm clear I want to play the biggest role in this group.

"And I think one of the things about the way we operate is the recognition that we're all leaders."
However, following their first official meeting, the group of 11 announced they had unanimously elected Mr Shumer as 'convener’, making him in charge of organising the group's meetings.
No official leader of the group has been elected.

Over the weekend Shadow International Trade Secretary Barry Gardiner accused Mr Umunna of quitting the party solely because he knew he would never lead Labour.

Independent group: Chuka Umunna has lost out to Gavin Shuker in a leadership bid (Image: REUTERS/EPA)

The Independent Group met to decide who would be de-facto leader this afternoon (Image: GETTY)
He said: "It was fairly clear to me the reason he wanted to leave the Labour Party was that he knew he could never lead the Labour Party. This is about personality."
But, just minutes after the Luton South MP was announced as The Independent Group's convenor, Mr Shuker ruled himself out of becoming the permanent leader of any newly formed party, therefore leaving open the possibility of Mr Umunna taking on the role in the future.
Heidi Allen, a former Tory MP who joined the group last Wednesday, has already suggested she would back Mr Umunna as leader if the group formerly set up a new party.
She said on Friday: "My view right now is that Chuka has brought us together.

The Independent Group address the media after electing Gavin Shuker (Image: REUTERS)
Nick Ferrari SLAMS Umunna over Brexit: 'I'd fire the lot of you!'

"But like any leader in business, politics, it needs to be the best person to get the best out of that team.
"And given that we're still going to have other colleagues come and join us I don't think we can say who that leader's going to be until we know the range of people that are going to be in our group."
Speaking after today's meeting, the independent MPs said they had discussed the group's values and priorities.
But former-Conservative Anna Soubry said the most important priority was Brexit.
The Broxtowe MP added that the group of 11 parliamentarians will be supporting the Cooper-Letwin amendment this week.
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

confused of hornchurch

Chuka Umunna unveils 50-page 'vision' for The Independent Group as it takes steps towards becoming political party
'It is time we dump this country's old-fashioned politics'
Ella Wills
5 hours ago
The Evening Standard

Independent MP Chuka Umunna calls for an end to 'old-fashioned politics' ( Getty Images )

Independent Group MP Chuka Umunna today unveiled his "vision" for the future of the UK as he says it is time for a new "progressive" party to change British politics.
Mr Umunna, spokesman for the recently formed Independent Group of MPs published a pamphlet outlining six key values that he believes progressive politicians could "rally around", marking the first move by the new group towards a debut manifesto.
The Streatham MP has included bold proposals including a compulsory form of "national service" for school leavers, state funding of political parties, and ending excessive pay in the boardroom.
His ideas are due to go into TIG's first policy forum, however the MP has insisted they "should not be considered a manifesto or the official policies of our group".

Independent Group MPs Mr Umunna, Gavin Shuker Ann Coffey, Heidi Allen and Chris Leslie held talks at the Electoral Commission earlier this week about becoming a fully-fledged political party (Getty Images)
It comes two weeks after 11 MPs dramatically defected from the Labour and Conservative parties to form the new group.
Mr Umunna told the Standard yesterday the group has set a deadline of this autumn to launch themselves as a fully fledged party.
Writing in the pamphlet, TIG's frontman said: “It is time we dump this country’s old-fashioned politics and create a new politics that does justice to who we are today and gives this country a politics fit for the 21st Century not the last one. A politics that looks, listens and learns from ideas and experience elsewhere in the world to better inform the course we take at home.

The 11 members of The Independent Group
"Our departure from the status quo parties was in part framed by reference to what we were against and what we disliked both about the policies and the cultures of what we had left. This pamphlet sets out what I think those who subscribe to progressive politics are actually for."
In the document, Mr Umunna set out six key values for a progressive party: Unity, Reciprocity, Work, Family and Community, Democracy, and Patriotic Internationalism.
He then put forward seven new ideas "intended to start, rather than finish, debate".
The idea was to "start a national conversation" rather than offer "prescriptive policies", Mr Umunna wrote.

These include:
A new form of ‘Public Benefit Companies’ putting public benefit at the heart of utilities
Ending excessive pay in the board room
Introducing means-testing tuition fees to support students who need most support and re-introducing maintenance grants. This would allow resources for a 'skills revolution' campaign backed by serious money and a Minister sitting in Cabinet
Equalising rates of tax on income and dividends and using the proceeds to fund universal childcare
Hypothecated NHS tax to help it meet the needs of an ageing society
Introducing compulsory ‘Citizen’s Service’ for school leavers
​State funding of political parties
The pamphlet also looks into greater detail at economic challenges facing Britain, technology and foreign policy.
Throughout the document Mr Umunna stressed how British politicians should "open their eyes" and learn more from policy initiatives being undertaken in other countries to tackle the same and similar big challenges to those faced by the UK.
He said this new agenda can only be pursued through a new progressive party.
“The truth is too many progressive people are sitting in parties which, through those parties’ words and deeds, are no longer true to their values," he said.

"This leads to the inescapable conclusion that our politics needs to be reconfigured to better reflect modern Britain and that it is time for the different progressive political traditions to come together under one roof – a new progressive party.”
TIG MPs held talks about becoming a political party earlier this week, with the aim of putting forward candidates at the next General Election.
TIG is formed of eight MPs who left Labour and three who quit the Tories.
The other TIGS are Luciana Berger, Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen, Anna Soubry, Chris Leslie, Gavin Shuker, Mike Gapes, Ann Coffey, Joan Ryan and Angela Smith.
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

bellend
sounds just what people want to hear?
If we learn from our mistakes, why aint I a genius, If you educate the masses where's the advantage for the few?

Bob
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

Bob
A party for the extreme right and left the popular front.
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

bellend
that's right appeal to all and deliver, well we'll worry about that later
If we learn from our mistakes, why aint I a genius, If you educate the masses where's the advantage for the few?

Bob
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

Bob
Lets all swing to the popular front. Although they tried it in the 30s and it did not end well.
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

fred
No mate they were National Socialists,the poplar fronts today are law abiding people who are pissed off with the traditional party’s not listening to them regarding their opposition to unfettered immigration and certain parts of that trying to change their Country’s way of life.
When l was growing up the only blokes in robes were either in hospital wards or a monastery and the post boxes were red with GR on the front
The only allah we heard was when you got a kick on the ankle playing football or a clip round the head when we was acting the goat
Better to suffer from a loss than to suffer every day for not having anything to lose
Bob
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

Bob
No I was thinking more of the English government with its appeasement and anti Russia stance while at the same time supporting Ford who was paying to reindustrialise German industry.
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

fred
Chamberlain and his defeatist scheming mates were replaced by Churchill thank god and a government of National unity took over of which some Labour politicians served with distinction putting to one side political division.
Better to suffer from a loss than to suffer every day for not having anything to lose
Bob
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

Bob
The league of nations was also a popular front organisation at least in the developed nations.
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

fred
Yes it was,but it wasn’t riddled with extremist leftie nut jobs like our present Liebour party.
Better to suffer from a loss than to suffer every day for not having anything to lose
Bob
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

Bob
The labour manifesto is no more left wing than the German ruling parties manifesto. What is left wing in the manifesto . For instance our railways are already nationalised unfortunately not by us.
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

fred
Manifestos are like Peppa Pig entertainment for under 5s
Better to suffer from a loss than to suffer every day for not having anything to lose
Bob
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

Bob
If only they were that entertaining.
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Life in Britain under the Independent Group

fred
If they were enforced by law they would have commitments that were doable with out bankrupting 3 large countries,but it ain’t their money their pissing up the wall.
Better to suffer from a loss than to suffer every day for not having anything to lose
12