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Another Unfair Parking Ticket

Lorraine Moss
The lady that does my hair received a parking ticket from the CCTV in the post today.  Please see photo, she was actually waiting to turn right and was not parked at all.  If you look at the photo you can see that her right hand indicator is actually on.  The same lady has even been issued a ticket on a previous occassion for parking on her own drive !!



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Jane L
I am still taking photos of the Traffic Control Wardens parking in parking, loading and disabled bays.  They say they are doing nothing wrong - I disagree.  I have stated before that I too have been given a PCN for parking in a bus stop - but it was someone else's car and they sent me the ticket with my reg no on the letter!  I was driving in the area at the time but no one has explained why it happened.
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Percy.
They rely on over 90% of the people issued with a ticket paying without arguement.
If every body appealed every ticket the system would collapse in days.
Its not illegal to park thats why its overseen by council workers not the police.
Its against the by laws set by the council.
That's how the cctv car can park where it likes on yellow lines in loading bays etc because the council say it can its a bye law.
Appeal and keep appealing the system will collapse.
“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”




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confused of hornchurch
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Looks like streetcare are short of cash this month and are just taking pictures of anything that moves.

I don't think it's an offence to come to a halt at a junction and wait for a clear road before moving off.

Would they prefer drivers to ignore the road markings and just interrupt the flow of traffic?

I think that would carry a charge of driving without due care and attention.

Are they aiding and abetting dangerous driving now?
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Phil H
No one will attack Havering council quicker than me for the abuse of CCTV cars and the issuing of dodgy parking tickets but I am extremely sceptical as I live a couple of roads away and I know exactly where that photo was taken.

Lorraine, ask your hairdresser what she was doing in Lynwood Drive at 08:55am and why.
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Lorraine Moss
Morning Phil, her children attend the primary school.
“Never be afraid to raise your voice for honesty and truth and compassion against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world...would do this, it would change the earth.”
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Jane L
The manager of Waitrose in Upminster has told me that the staff have been issued with PCNs when parked on Waitrose private property.  It smacks of desperation.  Do they have to reach a target?  Or are they on commission?  Our councillor, Linda Van Den Hende, has been told that the Civil Enforcement Officers issue, on average, 6 tickets per day in Upminster.  They seem to spend a lot of time here so is it worth it for only 6 tickets?
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Phil H
Yes Jane,

Civil Enforcement Officers (CEO) are set targets of penalty Charge Notices (PCN) to issue.

It is illegal but since when have local authorities taken any notice of the law.
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confused of hornchurch

I suppose that means they are above the law?

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confused of hornchurch

Sound familiar?


Parking zone ‘forced on residents to make money for the council’

 Maxine Frith  

01 May 2013

A controlled parking zone is to be introduced in Chiswick despite some residents claiming that a majority of people don’t want it.
 
Campaigners in Grove Park say a local councillor has forced through the plans without properly consulting them — accusing him of a conflict of interest because his parents live on one of the roads affected.

The CPZ in Park Road and Staveley Road East was given the go-ahead last week by Labour councillor Ed Mayne, cabinet member for community safety and regulatory services, following nine years of argument about the proposed scheme. Hounslow council and Mr Mayne deny any conflict of interest and insist a full consultation was carried out of people in the two streets. Parking on the roads will be limited to residents between 10am and noon on weekdays for a six-month trial. The council says the CPZ rules will stop commuters from using streets as free parking for Chiswick station. But Andy Murray, chairman of the Grove Park Group of residents, said the restrictions would displace cars onto surrounding roads, prompting more CPZ applications. He said the council wanted to bring in CPZs as a revenue raiser.

He said: “When a survey was done, 53 per cent of people said they didn’t have a problem with parking.”

A council spokesman said: “The council carried out two comprehensive consultations before any decision to proceed with the controlled parking zone in Park Road and Staveley Road was taken. On both occasions, the majority of residents in the proposed zone were clearly in favour.”

He added the proposals went through the scrutiny committee twice and that the decision was a “pragmatic and honest solution to parking problems”.
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Percy.
I wish they would introduce a controlled parking zone on Thames View where my father lives.Its chaos with lorries and vans from the industrial estates parking on the roads and pavements.
They have put Double yellow lines on some of the corners as the fire and ambulance could not get through.
But 24/7 there are vans and lorries parked every where blocking the roads and when the Jehovahs witness have a service or the pentecostal church have a meeting its like a car park with no limits.
A CPZ would be a welcome my father can not even ride his mobility scooter as he can not get past the vans.
“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”




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Percy.
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I wish they would introduce a controlled parking zone on Thames View where my father lives.Its chaos with lorries and vans from the industrial estates parking on the roads and pavements.
They have put Double yellow lines on some of the corners as the fire and ambulance could not get through.
But 24/7 there are vans and lorries parked every where blocking the roads and when the Jehovahs witness have a service or the pentecostal church have a meeting its like a car park with no limits.
A CPZ would be a welcome my father can not even ride his mobility scooter as he can not get past the vans.
“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”




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Percy.
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Council slammed for telling CCTV car drivers to give out at least 260 tickets every day despite practice being illegal
Policy allegedly carried out on behalf of Haringey Council in north London

Leaked emails revealed CCTV cars told to issue 87,360 fines in a year

Furious community leaders and traders say 'targets' are 'immoral'
The Labour-run council has denied imposing a quota for fines


By Sam Adams

PUBLISHED: 10:47, 2 May 2013  | UPDATED: 12:19, 2 May 2013  

A council has been accused of ordering CCTV 'spy' cars to hit minimum targets for issuing penalty notices - despite the practice being illegal.

The alleged policy, carried out on behalf of Haringey Council in north London, was revealed in a series of leaked emails.

They showed the council's CCTV cars were told to issue at least 260 fines a day - a total of 87,360 a year. The council has denied imposing a quota for fines.

Furious community leaders and traders in the Highgate Village area of the borough have called the policy 'immoral' and claim CCTV patrol cars are simply a 'money-making exercise' for the Labour-run authority

Emails sent between the council's parking manager and supervisors show that combined targets set for parking tickets issued by CCTV cars and wardens across Haringey in 2008 was 121,632.

The messages were sent on April 10, 2008, just 10 days after the government issued guidelines warning that parking fine quota systems were illegal.

Chairman of the Highgate Society, Kirsten de Keyser, said: 'Nobody should ever impose targets - that's appalling. It's not some kind of profit-driven business. They should never use fines and penalties to raise money. It's immoral and unethical.'

Ban: The emails were allegedly sent ten days after the Government made it illegal to set targets for parking tickets (file picture)

The leaked email from April 2008 said: 'The (CCTV cars) target for the year is 87,360. We are confident that we can achieve this target given that we are taking on new operators, return of a CCTV manager and the new cameras coming online.'

The emails also show that local parking wardens were given a minimum target of issuing 362 parking tickets a day across the team.

Another email to supervisors dated May 7, 2010, said staff were not performing to the 'average expectation' and threatens staff dismissal or a conduct hearing if improvements were not made.

Immoral: Traders in the Highgate Village area of the borough say the council's CCTV cars are simply used to make money

Lee Harper, owner of Highgate Butchers, feared he would have to close his shop after his supplier was repeatedly fined as they tried to make deliveries.

'They were ticketed three times in one week and landed with a bill of £330 after being targeted by a CCTV smart car, run by external parking contractor On Time.

SCOURGE OF CCTV 'SPY' CARS

Fleet of CCTV cars fine about 200,000 drivers in the UK each year
Issued for anything from parking fines to minor driving offences
Some London council's make hundreds of thousands of pounds a year from them
Cars also issue fines to drivers who drop litter and for driving in cycle lanes

'I'm not surprised about this - it's just a money-generating exercise,' he said, 'we have to pay rates of £925 a month and we need to have the meat in to sell, so it's a total paradox. I'm just one guy trying to make a living.'

A council spokeswoman said: 'Haringey Council does not set targets for parking penalties, and it is inaccurate to claim that we do.

'In fact, the email from 2010 clearly states that there is not a target for PCNs (penalty charge notices). The email from 2008 is now five years old.

'We did not set targets for PCNs after legislation was changed in 2008. In the case of this email, which was sent just 10 days after legislation was changed, the officer incorrectly used the term 'targets' to refer to forecasts for the anticipated number of PCNs for the following year.'

She added that the forecasts are 'common practice' and designed to 'give an overview of workload for the coming year, rather than as any measure of staff performance.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2318165/Council-slammed-telling-CCTV-car-drivers-260-tickets-day-despite-practice-illegal.html#ixzz2S8uZyrPC 
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Percy.
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Come now this is old news and has been explained.
Do you complain when an Ambulance ,police car or Fire tender breaks the speed limit or goes through red lights or uses a one way street to gain access or chase a miscreant.Of course not.
Thus it has been explained that in order to keep our streets safe and clear it is at times necessary for the enforcement car to park or stop a little erratically.
They are not breaking the law as parking is not a law but a Bye law which the council can set aside for the safety of its operators and the general public.
If you cant pay the fine do not do the crime.
“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”




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confused of hornchurch
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Yes it is old news, I posted it on July 2nd.

It's taken you 24 days to reply.

No, I do not complain when police, fire or ambulance break the speed limit because they are out there trying to save lives, not blocking the roads trying to extort cash to top up the council tax.

The emergency services also employ skilled drivers and train them to high standards.
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