Another Unfair Parking Ticket Issued To A Member Of The Moss Family !

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Another Unfair Parking Ticket Issued To A Member Of The Moss Family !

Lorraine Moss
I am sure that you will all recall that I raised conerns back in 2015 when the facilty to purchase residents parking permits was withdrawn from Havering Council's PACS centre.  Residents now have to apply online which causes issues for many people who do not have access to a coumputer or are not computer literate.  Once the permit is purchased, you then have to wait approximately seven working days before the permit is received.  You are then left with no choice but to park your car on the road whilst you are waiting for the new permit to arrive.

Please see http://havering-forum.46540.x6.nabble.com/We-Got-A-Parking-Ticket-td34724.html#a34734 this is an article from 2015 when my partner Richard Byrne was issued with a ticket while he was waiting for the new one to be sent.  The ticket was issued despite a note being placed in his windscreen which showed the reference number that had been issued for the permit that he had paid for and was waiting to receive.  This ticket was eventually waived.

In February of this year my eldest son passed his driving test first time and ang got his first car.  He applied and paid for a parking permit online.  I advised him to put a note in the window giving the reference number of his application.  On the 27 March, his car was parked in the road and he was waiting for his insurance company to fit a black box.  When I came home for lunch that day I noticed a ticket had been left on his windscreen.  When the engineer came to fit the black box, the note in the wind screen had fallen to the floor.  

When my son arrived home from work later that day, he immediately contacted Havering council and sent them a detailed explanation as to why he was not able to display a permit that they  had not yet sent him.  He recieved a letter today and it states "I have acknowledged all that you have said in your letter, however, I should point out that a vehicle is not permitted to park in a residents bay unless displaying a valid resident/visitor's permit."

Needless to say I will be assisting my son in submitting a further appeal.  This is a total disgrace !!!
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Phil Wailing
It is not always possible to apply online. Last month the system was down for 3 days.



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Lorraine Moss
Hi Phil, you could not make it up.  I have just sent the following email on behalf of my son.

From: lorraine.moss2@ntlworld.com
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 11:30 AM
To: steve.moore@havering.gov.uk; andrew.blakeherbert@havering.gov.uk; councillorJason.Frost@havering.gov.uk; councillorosman.dervish@havering.gov.uk
Subject: Unfair Parking Ticket

Dear Mr Moore

RE:  Mr Luke Moss, Penalty Charge Number HG24292508

Back in 2015 I raised concerns about the fact that residents can no longer purchase/renew their resident parking permits at the PACS centre and now have to order and pay for the permit online.  They then have to wait several days before the permit is received in the post.  The then cabinet member for Streetcare Cllr Robert Benham actually agreed with me and said he thought that there should be a grace period before a parking ticket can be issued.

Please see http://havering-forum.46540.x6.nabble.com/Another-Unfair-Parking-Ticket-Issued-To-A-Member-Of-The-Moss-Family-td50211.html

My son Luke Moss was issued a ticket on 27 March 2017 whilst he was waiting to receive his new permit in the post.  Today, he received a letter dated 4 May 2017 and none of the issues that he raised have been addressed and the letter states that a vehicle is not permitted to park in a residents bay unless displaying a valid permit.  It is impossible for him to display a permit that he is waiting for Havering Council to send.  I would like to request that this parking ticket is cancelled with immediate effect and the whole procedure is changed to avoid other residents being unfairly charged.  I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind Regards

Lorraine Moss

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Re: Another Unfair Parking Ticket Issued To A Member Of The Moss Family !

dalek1
I wouldn't hold out too much hope with Moore and Frost is a much use as a chocolate tea pot.
I mentioned on previous posts that I reported to Moore and Frost discrepancies on the parking meters and signs at the top end of London road by Cottons park (the road signs state parking is restricted to two hours yet the meters take payment of two pounds for up to three hours parking) and to date nothing has been done to rectify the error. Its par for the course with this council when they are after money from you they do anything to ignore pertinent questions relevant to the case and even go so far as bullying the victim (note my use of the word) as I well know. They know full well your son had applied for and paid for a permit
and when its pointed out to them with dates they just choose to ignore it and continue harassing the innocent until they pay up a debt they do not owe.
Its just another long list of Havering council scams.
I'd suggest your son goes directly to the parking adjudicator and bring Frost, Moore and the rest of their shower to book once and for all.
 
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Re: Another Unfair Parking Ticket Issued To A Member Of The Moss Family !

dalek1
One rule for motorist no rules for the council.

Havering traffic wardens accused of parking double standards


Havering Council has been accused of “double standards” after a motorist snapped a picture of a traffic parking and control car parked on yellow lines.


Dell Platt, was driving along Goodwood Avenue, Hornchurch, just before 9am on Friday when what appeared to be a parking contravention was spotted.


Mr Platt said the law promoted by parking enforcement officers was at the same time being unfairly disregarded.

“Please try and explain the parking arrangements made by the council that permits its employees to commit this parking offence,” he said.

“It is a blatant flouting of the law by the person concerned in his or her position.”

But a spokesman for Havering Council said: “Civil enforcement officers are allowed to park on double yellow lines whilst carrying out their duties, provided that in all circumstances it is reasonably necessary for the vehicle to stop in that location.”

The Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1974, amended by the London Local Authorities Act 2000, enables the council to act as a highway authority.

This in turn allows CCTV or similar enforcement cars to park on restrictions while carrying out their duties.

In an email seen by the Recorder to Dell from the authority, a council officer was patrolling the area around Hacton Primary School, Chepstow Avenue, Hornchurch.

And the officer told his superiors that he was unable to park further back as he would have blocked a resident’s driveway.

“It is never the intention of the service to cause hazardous conditions or create a dangerous situation,” continued the spokesman.

But Dell added: “Where the vehicle was parked the actual road has no other yellow lines other than those he was parked on.

“Maybe if he parked in the next road along and walked 30 meters he would comply with the rule for the general public. I would think it was reasonable to say that the vehicle was parked within the 15 metres of the turning causing a hazard.”

Steven Knightley also criticised a patrol car parked on a busy road in Romford.

“There are many other places this vehicle could have parked which would have been safer for all,” he said.

“ The only reason it didn’t do so was because it was sitting as a trap.

“The safer option would have been to park at the beginning of the lay-by on the same side of the road as ASDA.”

People who find a traffic parking and control parked on a yellow line but not carrying out their duties are asked to contact parkingenforcement@havering.gov.uk.