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GAZZER
That man has cost the tax pay millions of pound in legal fees and welfare payments-and he is allowed to preach his anti-west bile all over London.

Also a known terrorist wanted for murder he cannot be deported because of the humans rights act-I do know that the architects of the convention were- Churchill and Maxwell-Fyffe with the support of Attlee and Bevin. It was intended to bind its signatories to outlaw the foul abuses perpetrated by Hitler's National Socialist Workers' labour Party, and Stalin's Communists.

 I am also pretty sure than none of our great wartime leaders envisaged that it would be used to allow foreign criminals to walk into our country and live off our backs as part of their "human rights".

Again and again Good legislation enacted by right thinking person-corrupted and disfigured by the far loony left.

If you try to cure evil with evil-you will add more pain to your fate.
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Percy.
1. ‘We don’t need the HRA – people’s rights are protected in our laws, stretching back to the Magna Carta and the 1689 Bill of Rights’

History looks favourably on the UK’s long history of recognising rights and freedoms. But neither the Magna Carta nor the Bill of Rights provide protection modern Britain needs – neither protect an individual’s rights to be free from undue state interference in their personal life nor on freedom from discrimination or the right to free expression. Talk of common law protecting rights is also a gross over-exaggeration – common law can, in an instant, by overridden by new legislation.

 2. ‘The HRA is foreigners imposing their human rights laws on Britain’

History shows that it was Brits that wrote the ECHR. They are our human rights laws.

3. ‘A British Bill of Rights would be better than the HRA’

Firstly, the HRA is a British Bill of Rights. But it’s not clear what additional rights the Tories have up their sleeves to put in their Bill of Rights? Or are they proposing to ditch some rights – like protection from torture or free and fair election? They need to be honest, instead of being vacuous.

4. “It’s all lefty claptrap about rights of minority groups”

It couldn’t be further from the truth! It’s actually about empowering each and every individual citizen to challenge the power of the machinery of the state. In essence, its legislation that those on the right ought to favour – it’s about individual freedoms challenging state power.

5. “We managed before without it”

Prior to 2000, human rights cases had to be pursued in Strasbourg. Since 2000, with human rights legislation now enshrined in UK law, cases can be brought before British judges in British courts. Repealing the HRA would leave our citizens with nowhere to go but Strasbourg.

6. “Judges now make our laws, not Parliament”

Our Parliament is sovereign – it makes the laws of the land. Courts and judges don’t make laws – they operate within the laws as set by Parliament. Under the HRA, courts can only highlight human rights abuses – the so-called “declaration of incompatibility” – and it’s for Parliament to decide how to respond to such a declaration. While it can ignore the declaration, Parliament can’t be forced to change the law against its will.

7. “We no longer need protection against torture, abuse and slavery”

That takes for granted abuses which can still happen even in a modern society like the UK. Even today, instances of abuse and enforced slavery occur, and the HRA provides the mechanism by which victims can seek proper recourse.

8. “The public don’t understand the HRA like American’s do US constitutional rights”

Patience is a worthy attribute – the HRA is only 12 years old. The US constitution is hundreds of years old, and the Magna Carta before that is 800 years old. The HRA is one of the world’s youngest bills of rights and to junk it now while it’s still so youthful would be sheer folly.

9. “Anyone can bring cases under the HRA – it’s made a mockery of genuine human rights abuses”

This is partly a product of media reporting – much of which is of cases being launched under the HRA. However, the media often don’t report the ultimate outcomes, leaving the impression with the public that a wide range of claims are successful when they aren’t – and have often been effectively laughed out of court, failing at the very first hurdle.

10. “You never hear anything positive about the HRA”

There’s an issue in the way the media report on positive uses of the HRA. For example, the phone hacking scandal would never have happened without the HRA (Article 8 – right to a private and family life) and the Home Secretary would have extradited Gary McKinnon if it hadn’t been deemed contrary to his human rights under Article 3 (no torture, inhuman or degrading treatment). But in both these cases – and many others – you don’t hear of the HRA’s role.

Taken from a Tory writer
“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”




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GAZZER
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Most of that scripted list is without example-judges do make law its called precedent-common law is also very hard to override-its true that great men like Churchill did enact legislation (HRA) but it was meant to protect British subjects not CRIMINALS and TERRORIST.

Most and perhaps all the points on your post can be debunked percy-however it would take time and that's not something I wish to waste on you anymore, because I realise you are not sincere in anything- just a twee troll poster.

Admin the Troll spray please lol.

If you try to cure evil with evil-you will add more pain to your fate.
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Percy.
An easy reply when you don't like the answers Gazzer.
“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”




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GAZZER
Percy when you produce an original subjective post of your own rather than Trolling other peoples then perhaps I might take you seriously-parasite comes to mind.

Now that was an easy answer.
If you try to cure evil with evil-you will add more pain to your fate.